Atomic bomb shredded hails Necrotomb on the pages of Hungarian Tales of the Morbid Butchers 'zine! Thanks for accepting my interview request. If I am right, this your first interview for a Hungarian 'zine. How much are you familiar with my country's underground scene?
Indeed, this is my first interview for Hungary scene, as you well know I do not lavish myself in the media and I do not grant many interviews for the simple fact that they seem irrelevant and a waste of time, I only answer those that seem interesting once checked and this is one.. First and maybe the last Interview of the year.
I had a lot of contact etc with many scenes worldwide in the past, but I am currently disconnected from the scenes in particular, I am just a “globalization slave” right now. Underground died with the Internet Era, even more with Jewbook etc.
Irremediably I have to adapt or disappear, so.. now I just create music without being part of this absurd current circus that pretend call underground.
I just keep my position in the trench, doing my job, watching the FUNderground as a spectator. If I discover a band that I like, just buy stuff or whatever.. But I am no longer for the work of knowing anyone, I am not interested in people for many years, I hate too much human beings.. As a rule we have ended up discovering that many good Bands are formed by beings too stupid who do not believe in what they do and that makes me much less receptive to knowing the Bands, unlike in the 80/90 s where nothing was different, but the truth remained in the anonymity provided by letters.
Everything changed too much for my taste, I am an old warrior who cannot adapt to stupidity so.. I'm IN but OUT and not OFF.
I prefer to keep magic within a level of ignorance to be "happy" and enjoy the music without knowing which is the Bufon behind.. If he is already a highly recognizable network-clown like the characters we have been encountering in recent years, I Inmediately give up listening to his crap. Metal scene became a ridiculous farce So.. I'm not familiar with any particular scene in a while and not interested either.
I know some old Bands of your Country as Pokolgép , the Mighty Tormentor, Consecration, Fermentatio, Malediction, Extreme Deformity, Hunok, Assur, Blizzard, Tymah, Sear Bliss, Ater Tenebrae and other interesting proposals like Athame, Dunkelheit, Aurulok, Earth Plague or Evil Conqueror. But after this interview I guess maybe it would be a good time to pay more attention to the scene in Hungary..In Bands, not members of course.
How are things now in Spain? How do you handle and live the migration problems? This is a nasty things going on, the devastation of European folk and culture. What is your opininon about it? Is there a way to stop this infection?
Due to personal reasons and my work I have been away from my lovely country for 4 years, but in my personal life I am totally involved in politics and the struggle to preserve our culture.
We have a serious problem in Spain due to political groupings subsidized by interventionist governments such as Russia (Communism) or Venezuela (Castrocommunism), that in reference to the problems with separatism that have arisen in Catalonia.
Have to add many other problems as the law of historical memory imposed in 2007 by socialists that attempts only against right-wing politics that is only a current a ridiculous copy of Damnatio Memoriae going through the disgusting Muslim invasion.
If we turn to the problems with Islam, you know that Europe is invaded in a worrying way by those parasites, obviously propitiated by Zionism with the aim of establishing the new world order globalizing cultures destroying our past..in Spain we have the same problem obviously, we are Europe, but with a worrying “incentive” called the Strait of Gibraltar, where most of the Muslims penetrate to European territory and nobody helps us to contain them abusing Merkel's stupid policies to fill Europe with shit, we need a change, seriously..
At the national level, it is worrisome for the simple fact that all the flourishing political formations that bring the communist ideology as “Podemos” are promoting Islam Giving more aid and economic benefits to a Moroccan who came 6 months ago than to a Spaniard who has worked for 40 years. It is worrisome and suffocating, but we must continue fighting with all possible means to preserve our culture and if it is necessary to reach weapons, we will take our weapons for the Fatherland.
Unfortunately, polulism is a very strong weapon that seizes the weakest minds that unfortunately are the most proliferate.. this fight is going to be hard.. especially in a society such as the Spanish today, where the reds have been preparing the terrain over the years, making catastrophic social and school reforms, to create an ignorant people, creating the “anti-village” making young people believe that they deserve house, food, clothing and luxe without working turning them into direct slaves of the state under the yoke of ignorance.
Luckily the conservative and rightist bases of our country are still very strong and it seems that there is a glimpse of recovery, the lies of the reds fall by their own weight. We also have the advantage of hatred of Islam and patriotism, which fortunately is resurging due to the absurd situation that is being lived
We must expel all Muslims without exception quickly, they come with a historical purpose, which is not able to understand I think it has no place in Europe as a proud european. We should also become independent of the 12 Jewish banks that dominate the Planet with fictitious money, but that is much more complicated. The ideals are bought with money and unfortunately with Oil. United States of Israel are the biggest problem of the Planet.. we are surrounded, but we have to fight!
Anyway, we must understand that we are living the beginning of a century and we have lived the end of another, this situation is not going to differentiate from the rest of the history we know. The past has taught us to create a future, but that future that is now our present also teaches us that solutions go through inevitable stages, wars, and this is our destiny, as indeed is already happening with our Ukrainian brothers for example .. total support and the best wishes to Ukraine!
In your opinion, what would be the ideal social form for mankind? If you had the power, what means would you use to stop overpopulation? The problem is that it should have been stopped long ago.
I don t give a fuck about humanity, but since I have to live in this World being human and I will not gift my existence to anyone with my suicide, I have to think about the most logical way to live that suits my personal tastes and needs.
For my country (because of his way of thinking and acting for centuries) I think that the National Syndicalism that promoted the Phalange of Spanish General Primo De Rivera is the most logical for the development of our nation, where the communists and idealistic dreamers/parasites can not fit, but the prosperous and hard-working nation that surpasses itself with pyramidal production, always enjoying liberties but not debauchery,
It is a political / social system very similar to Hitler's national socialism, where all are part of the state without exception, but eliminating parasites, Eradicating invasive cultures by superimposing ours, obviously being permissible learning from the rest but avoiding multiculturalism, that dangerous weapon of Zion..
Surely there would be many improvements to be made in that national syndicalism, where personally eliminate not only the Catholic religion for which they advocated in the 30s with this proposal, but all religion, each and every one of them should be abolished, including Laveyan Satanism or stupid wicca haha.. Religions are the cáncer of all societies.. so.. unfortunatelly these thoughts are just an Utopía.. The World only needs a red button, this is the “Final solution” I guess.
After the social involution that we are living, it is obvious that eugenics would give quite pleasant results, but I think that eugenics would finally be another form of involution at some point, then.. I see that the only solution is the red button. It is the only "political" point where I agree for the first time with a shitty communist, Kim Yeung haha.
Now after the problems of the world, let's move on to your monster which you baptized Wargoatcult around 2007. Is this your first-born beast or did you have other musical offensives prior to that? What or who made you to create this band? Did you have definite ideas about the genre to create the most uncompromising, most brutal warlike manifestation?
I've been on the scene since the 80s and my first band was formed in 1990, Neurosis (Thrash metal ala Sodom, Bathory, Venom, Destruction), in 92 formed Cum Mortuis (Black Metal ala Venom, Bathory, Hellhammer etc, today called Natrium Muriaticum in a more orthodox and pagan style) , from that moment as you can imagine I've been through thousands of formations, some created by me and another simply the old-fashioned, democratic-based formations where everyone has voice and vote or working as a session musician.
Over the years I discovered that this was not my way, that my path was more marked by hatred, violence, totalitarianism, abnegation and pure misanthropy and not everyone was willing to accept my clauses. Not for the fact of being unacceptable, but for the fact that I comply with my word and my message is real and not a farce, are authentic statements of principles with which I live, it is my creed and it is difficult to support myself , I am the least democratic being on this earth, misanthropy is my innate creed.
In my daily life I am a very treatable person, but Wargoatcult represents what I really I am without my necessary “social mask”. If I did what I wanted I would survive half a day, but wargoatcult channels my "freedom" during 90% of my existence because during my working Day I still have music in my head when I do not need concentration.
The idea of Wargoatcult came to me around the corner from about the year 97 and strangely the word Goat as well as the genre later became a fashion. Finally in 2007 I decided to make music under that name in a totally intentional way, from music to thematic, pressing for the image that does not stop being a very important incentive in the style that I produce.
Personally and by family tradition as Iberian/Celtic, I have always fought against Christianity and I will do it until the last breath. Including in that fight the hatred and contempt to the Muslims for their invasion of 900 years in Spain to which you have to add the "Roman colonization".The ancient Iberian gods as Netón (the god of dead, thunder and war) are my inspiration, including Cernunnos by my celtic side.
Cernunnos is the Goat that represents the word “goat”.
The word “cult”, represents the mixture of Iberians and Celts that make up my ancestors and represent my daily life.
War just mean war, the fight against the invaders, the perseverance and defense of my customs, my culture, my family, what I love above all. Initially Neton was shuffled as possible monicker, but finally was not chosen because it did not cover everything I wanted in such an explicit way as War/Goat/Cult.
An important fact, I am from the northwest Spain, the North-West Spain was never invaded by the Muslims and of course it should be added; Do not confuse misanthrope with hermit..
The name of the band was put together from three telling words. Why exactly these words? What do they mean to you?
I forward to your question in the previous answer but before the doubt we can schematize;
War; Netón (the Iberian God of the dead, thunder & war).
Goat; Cernunnos (represented in the Iberian culture with Goat horns and not Deer as in Celtic mythology).
Cult; Celtic/Iberian (My culture).
Since the beginning, you have been representing the band alone. Did you try to search for additional members in the beginning, and later you gave up and were left alone? Or was it a basic concept to terrorize the world alone?
I have never sought members to become part of wargoatcult, in fact that I have never felt the need to do so.
I think that no one would be able to adapt to what I am It is a very simple fact, each and every one person of this planet are special and different and very few wish to be slaves i guess..The problem with all this is that I deeply hate submissive people and at the same time I do not want anyone who meddles in my way of doing things, so.. Why do I want people around me doing nothing or doing something that I can do perfectly without collaboration?, they would only become a nuisance, like flies around or a stone in the shoe.
I had several members for live performances, but they have never done anything other than playing their instruments live. Except Guland, who recorded some backing vocals in La Horda del Chivo or ApolokiA V, but he is my brother, not just brother, but blood brother, we are children of the same parents, that is the only external exception in the band.
Wargoatcult is a declaration of principles of a single being that hates humanity deeply and not a democratic compendium where several minds have a place. It is pure misanthropy, the reflection of what society has done with people like me. I'm just a projector of human misery that collects hate in itself like a mirror so..I do not need to terrorize the world, the world already lives terrified.
Your first demo was put out in 2007 titled ”Nuclearmageddon Theories”. How was it received and how much are you satisifed with it now? If possible, I'll pick some titles and I ask you to speak about those tracks. Let's see, we have here ”Enola Gay”, the name of the airplane that carried the atomic bomb to Hiroshima. Please tell us about this lyric.
I was visiting the National Air and Space Museum in the USA and managed to achieve a few dreams. It was impressive, because apart from being a lover of history and the military world, I am also of the Aircraft.
Luckily, apart from seeing the original Wright Flyer or the Module of Apollo 11, I could also see a moon rock and a Mars Meteor. But among all those wonders was the Enola Gay, the aircraft that changed the course of Humanity.
As you can see, that plane no longer flies, but in front of it my imagination flew in an extreme way... enough to dedicate the first song of the Demo. For me it was like visiting Bastogne, Auswitch or Irak.
Enola Gay is not just an airplane, it's not just an enclave, It is a part of our history, a projector of hatred, envy, greed, evil, overcoming or love, I was only able to imagine that plane with the name of my mother, I felt like Frodo caressing the Ring, something impossible to explain, you have to be there to understand it.
The lyrics speak of how the plane furrowed the heavens and broke through the clouds to unleash terror and be a turning point in the history of mankind. It was like Pilot's own mother giving birth, Enola Gay, giving birth to her son, unleashing the evil, her Little Boy. Humans are evil in itself and the concept of the letter is linked to the birth of each person, some have to die for others to be born, it's that simple.
Then we have ”Once upon Irak”. What should we know about it?
Irak, the ancient Mesopotamia, from there we know the first concepts of civilization and of course, we have notion of the first organized between societies with armies constituted in a clear and concise way. Where we are facing one of the first contests known in the history of humanity between Lagash and Umma that lasted more than a century, the summerian wars.
In the Military context it would be like the number 1 for a mathematician, including the exceptional Greeks who also learned from there. The classic combat formation adopted by all the armies of history called Phalanx comes from there..
Irak is the cradle of war, to my way of seeing it is the civilization that wrote the fate of the contests at the same time that it was cursed for it. That in recent decades more bombs have fallen in Irak than in any other part of the world I think it is more than paradoxical as well as fun. Strangely communism destroys his civilization completely in the last century .. quite fun too .. Karma is a son of a bitch haha.
Within all that inspiration and explanation, the lyrics speak of how Irak deserve all that violence, bombs, death and misery. How hypocritical “human shields” are unable to stop fate.
I would like to be able to get further back into the history of the Anunnakis to learn more about the art of ancient wars but unfortunately the “great powers” have us banned ...
The demo was out in 100 copies. How much time was needed to get all copies sold and to which countries was it spread? Did you maybe receive any negative attack regarding the concept of Wargoatcult?
Data is wrong! initially in 2007 I edited in 66 copies for the closest ones but in 2008 the Label Supremacy Through Intolerance from Germany released 200 copies in pro cover and the Label Wings of Pestilence of USA 50 copies in cassette.
The Demo was also released in conjunction with the first album under the title “The Law of Nuclearmageddon” , a mix between “The Law of Kalashnikov” and “Nuclearmageddon Theories” via Mutilationary recs from Thailand on cassette format, 100 copies.
I do not know how long it took to sell the copies, that you should ask the Labels, if they moved quickly enough and were everywhere, despite being small editions. There was an two Asian Labels of which I do not even remember the name that released it, but I do not even have a copy of that edition haha.
I had many good reviews and many bad reviews, for me totally irrelevant both. There were many cyber-attacks and threats by mail etc, including death threats since the creation of wargoatcult and they still exist, all unimportant except one.
In my city I had a denunciation by an antifascist group in 2009. They alleged that I made apology for violence, hatred, anti-Christianity, national socialism and nuclear bombs haha. They took me to Judgment and I won. I had to abide by the law of “freedom of speech” and they gave me the reason, but it was not a game, it was a serious problem ... in Spain we have a law against hate crimes and it is quite severe, could face several years of imprisonment for hate crimes., luckily the Judge was not from the left haha, my Judas Priest moment haha.
In 2009, a 3-track promo was released entitled ”The Law of Kalashnikov”. What's the message of this? This weapon is a solid and trustworthy one to this day. Are you familiar with this toy? Have you ever tried this or any other weapon?
Data wrong!!!, The title was Promo 2009! This promo included Three raw songs from the upcoming Album The law of Kalashnikov at that moment.
The Kalashnikov is the weapon of the revolutionary man par excellence, it is a symbol of violence, it is the standard of many armies. When you see any other weapon you practically assimilate it as a toy, but when you see an AK47 you know something is not right .. In my opinion the AK is the flag of war in the 20th / 21st century, the symbol of the dissident, but not the political but the human.
Is like an iconoclastic weapon that manages to make the rest invisible. I have used the AK 47 on several occasions, but I prefer the Spanish Cetme 7.62 MM for nostalgia and patriotic pride. Was the regulatory weapon of my Battalion while I was a professional troop military. I belonged to the Spanish Army over 4 years and I have tried many weapons. What I like about the AK 47 is its unmistakable sound; Poo! Poo! Kalashnikov!! .and is the undisputed king in water and sand, but i prefer my Spanish Cetme!
The M16 is a rifle developed on the basis of the exceptional AR15, much more versatile and lightweight, suitable for all types of combat. I am more supporter of the M16, we must bear in mind that it is a 5.56 MM and that is the perfect caliber for any type of race, both in short distances and open field.
His ability to penetrate is perfect, although there are always many doubts between 5.56 and 7.62, but that would be a long chat haha. It's very difficult to choose, it's like when you talk about records, some have what others lack. My favorite weapons par excellence are the M1879 Reichsrevolver, Luger, Mauser C96 and the Winchester rifle.
Your first 3 demos was released on your own, but in 2009 a split stuff titled „”Warmageddonic Alliance of Doom” was out with Brazilian Infernal War 666 on Nuktemeron Productions. How did the contact come about with the Brazilians? If I am right, it was out in 1000 copies which quite an amount. What should we know about this warlike pact?
I dont believe in pacts or believe in anyone. I have known Shammash for a long time, former ex member of the Brazilian band Spell Forest, now more focused on Mythological Cold Towers, he owns Nuktemeron Prods and he offered to release material from the band. Infernal war 666 is a band that has friendship with in Brazil and they were looking for someone to split through the Nuktemeron label, then Shammash offered it to me and I accepted because it was a good opportunity to make Wargoatcult known to those lands. I dont know Infernal war 666 people. Just contact them to request data to develop the design of the CD because I did.
Initially if we were talking to launch something for Nuktemeron, as a re-issue of the first demo or something like that, but finally that opportunity arose.
About a year ago a member of Infernal war 666 wrote me to see if I was interested in a re-issue and I told him there was no problem. I have not heard anything else about it. That is what I have been closest to friendship with any of them.
I do not usually deal with people except in very exceptional cases and to see the splits as blood pacts seems to me an absurdity. Only in very few occasions have I made splits with "friends", as is the case with Xerion, but it was just a casual exception. Finally you have a true data, they were 1000 Cds hahaha
In 2009 a compilation tape was released under the title ”The Law of Nuclearmageddon”. Does this include all the released Wargoatcult songs? What are the lyrics of ”Afghanistan... No Man's Land”, ”Uranium Paradise Kosovo” about?
That edition contains the first recorded album; The Law of Kalashnikov and the Nuclearmageddon theories demo. Given the impossibility of releasing the album in those moments I was forced to put together those two editions and release them on a cassette with the Thai Label “Mutilationary Recs” after their proposal to work together on something. There you have the meaning of the title; The law of nuclearmageddon.
Afganistan went from being a great civilization in antiquity to being a dunghill in all aspects. Its culture is totally destroyed as well as all branches and social scales. It is a totally lost civilization. Life has no value, education does not exist, everything is lost in an abysmal recoil that ended up leading to a bloody war that is still maintained despite the news tell very different things.
That country in the years 60/70/80 tried to adapt to the immediate future but finally they were unable to do so, because their mentality as a people was anchored in the most primitive past. Leaders perceived evolution as simply foreign interference and ended up destroying themselves again, basing and justifying their actions in Islam. Islam, like all religions, is the weapon of the great powers to subdue the weak..
The lyrics speak of the war within that country, how they deserve to have reached that level to destroy themselves and how the white man they call Demon ends up finishing the job because of his defiant attitude to the rest of the planet.
It is the price, the result of thousands of years following an absurd religion, worshiping gods created by the minds of weaker men. It is the double-edged sword that ended up gutting them. That scum believes to be above good and evil and in recent years they found the answer to their extreme stupidity.
All the lyrics speak of that deserved self-destruction from the deep historical context as a great civilization. Fuck off Islam & Afganistan.
I served in the Spanish army in UNPROFOR-Bosnia and Herzegovina in the year 94. I lived in the first person the horror of the war and its consequences. During the wars arise the greatest inventions in history both in weapons and survival, attire etc etc because of the need of the moment, is a historical fact.
Just as man develops his intelligence to survive and achieve victory (or flight haha), he also uses those stages to test or use new weapons or others that are stored, even obsolete, but have not had enough diffusion.
In Kosovo, many chemical weapons were used leaving a large trace of lead, uranium and bacteria. Really all wars are chemical since the first world war; Mustard gas, Phosgene etc.. If that happened at the beginning of the 20th century, just imagine what might have happened in the 90s..
The lyric talks about how through the bombings depleted uranium penetrates the earth contaminating the water and altering the genetic life-code. Uranium is pyrophoric, at high temperatures it is the same as any aerosol and penetrates the body disintegrating and emitting alpha radiation from within the organism .. simply imagine the results ..
A part of the population many soldiers have suffered the consequences of which I fortunately have saved me, they called it “Balkan Syndrome ". If the soldiers have suffered that, imagine that it may actually be happening in that country.
2011 saw the release of the first full album, and the title of this is ”Pentaprotokhaos”. First, please tell us about the meaning of this unusual title. Then tell us about the album.
Pentaprotokhaos is the second full length recorded in 2009, first was “The Law of Kalashnikov” , but although on popular sites like Metal Archives it appears as the first album released, officially it is the second Album released. This is due to the delay of the Label Butchered Records due to problems outside the band at those moments. While it is true, also takes the time to Re-master it in 2011 due to its delay.
Pentaprotokhaos means; the Pentagram of the supreme chaos.
It is the primal form of chaos, the big bang and the creation of the universe through previous destruction. It is like involution towards self-destruction with a burst and a new beginning propitiated by the supernatural powers that the Pentagram teaches us.
1-Pentaprotokhaos; speaks of the implosion of the universe unleashed by the invocation of the ancient ones.
2-From nuclearea to cosmos; tells the explosion of the Earth seen from the point of view of someone who is fired towards outer space.
3-Océanos de fuego; It is at the end of the Earth, its agitation, earthquakes, burning seas and the end of humanity
4-Embryo Atomik Penetralia; It talks about the infused science and the absolute knowledge that leads the individual to understand the situation that iscoming. Talks about how knowledge penetrates your being in your last moments of life.
5-La Puta de Golgota; It is a sidelong glance at Christianity where we talk about the satisfaction of seeing the Planet reduced to ashes without anyone being able to do anything to remedy it, not even that beloved Christian God. La Puta means; The whore, Golgota's whore; Jesus Christ.
6-Satanika Genetika; It speaks of the evil made flesh, of how we are all chemistry and radioactivity concentrated in a piece of meat that only spreads evil.
7-Plutoniuimperium; It talks about the Battle between Angels and Demons during the explosion of the Earth and its conversion into a large Silver Ball similar to the magnetic center of Saturn, a ball of liquid metallic hydrogen with a rocky core. Converting the Earth into a new empire controlled by Demons after the extinction of humanity, It's like the beginning from point 0 of the new big bang, the new era, the Astral empire of evil, Plutoniuimperium!
8- Nuclear dawn; Talks about the last sunrise, where the sun rushes against the Earth.
9-Atomik Antichrist; It´s about me, relating from the perspective of a priest the meaning of the great lie of religions, using the Christian as an example. It is like the epilogue of a black Bible where I am the messenger.
Also in 2011 the 2nd album came in the shape of ”La Horda Del Chivo”. Wasn't it a bit fast? Or did you have some many songs written and you did not want to hold them back?
La Horda del Chivo (The Horde of the Goat) was recorded in the year 2011 and also published that same year as the first official album. It is really the fourth album recorded .. so it will be more practical to outline it;
1-The law of Kalashnikov
2-Pentaprotokhaos
3-En pie de guerra
4- La Horda del Chivo..
I do not think it's early, late, fast or slow when it comes to making music. Wargoatcult does not work like any other band or classic project. I am a very active individual and I am always doing music among other things.
I do not make an album for a label to release, I make a Album because I want to make an album regardless of whether someone is going to release it or not because Wargoatcult is an Underground Band and within the underground is a free band, I do not follow rules, my need to make music is voracious, so I simply do music.
If someone feels the need to follow a band and buy all their material, has a lot of bands to do that but Incredibly there are people who do it with wargoatcult and that pleases me a lot, because it means that they have understood my message and my purpose. But for me the music is timeless, I do what I do and I do it when I feel like it without giving explanations to anyone. Luckily they always release my albums, sooner or later with respect to their recording they end up doing it, although that does not mean that it is an easy task ..
For too long I decided to act like this, because always waiting for a Label to work with me only cut the wings of my creativity.
In 2013, also 2 albums were out, ”Hecatomb” and ”Apolokia V”. Unfortunately, I haven't heard these materials. Is there any connection or concept between the two?
Both were released at the same time due to the delay of the Label Talheim records at the time of launching “ApolokiA V” that should have been released a year earlier but Hatecatomb was released on its respective date.
Apolokia V represents the 5Th anniversary of wargoatcult but it was launched in the 6Th year of existence, as I said, because of the delay of the Label.
All wargoatcult albums are linked conceptually, from Pentaprotokhaos to Phasmatis Interregnum.
In 2016, again 2 albums came out, ”The Law Of Kalashnikov” and ”Proteus Inferno”. ”The Law Of Kalashnikov” includes already well-known songs. Were these re-recorded, re-written compared to their preivous versions? Weren't you satisifed with them? I think the past should be left.
Simply The law of Kalashnikov is the album that was recorded in the year 2008 and was never released except its inclusion in the compilation "The law of Nuclearmageddon". There is nothing retouched, re-recorded or anything like that, It's me 9 years ago haha.
I just did a little touch-up on the final master so it was not so outdated.
For me the term past or present does not make sense within the music that I do. I feel that this album being the first, it deserved more than any other being released, especially because it does not make sense an album without the other.
As I said before, music is timeless for me. I keep listening to Sodom or Hellhammer from their early years, why would I stop releasing my album?
You think that the past should be left behind, I think that from the past is where we learn to not make mistakes in the future even if we continue doing it, but it avoids us a lot of problems. On the other hand, the past is exciting in many aspects. Another very different thing is to live in that past without understanding your present, but that is not my case, i love the past and present, maybe the future, i don´t know..
But lapidary phrases lose meaning in time and in the context of many things, in this case for me it makes no sense.. And yes, I am very satisfied with this album as well as the rest. They all have their special characters, their tons of work and their special moments, situations that will never be repeated in life and that I remember every time I read the lyrics or listen to them.
What should we know about ”Proteus Inferno”?
Nothing you can not find out while you do not buy it haha. It is a very special Album for me, due to the situation in which it was composed and recorded. It was a point of inflection in my life, one of the most important of my life and I have a special appreciation.
Proteus Inferno is like the ramification of evil through all living matter all that encompasses our existence. It is the meaning of humanity in itself seen from the ancient world and traditions.
It is like a vision from the past, a retrospective in the old societies observing the future, I mean, our present, where everything is a real shit.
We live in Hell, that is the only definition that can be given to our current state. Is there anything worse than this? It is impossible to find something worse, for the simple fact that if we would have died too quickly. Now we suffer this current disaster dying slowly, we really live in a sentence, we are on death row..
Perhaps the ignorance of the past made them happier, but the knowledge of the present makes us more miserable, of that I am sure. Proteus Infernó is the metastasis of evil, the World at present.
One of the songs, in particular "Anthems of war" at times may seem out of context or give a wrong idea of what the album means, but that song speaks of honor and value, something already practically lost in current societies.
I have known many examples of courage and honor, but the biggest one for me and the one I feel most proud of comes from my grandfather. He was a member of the Blue division formed by members of the Spanish Falange who were already war veterans from the front in the Spanish Civil War.
Survivor of our civilian war, he was also a survivor of the Russian campaign in the Second World War. He has always been my hero and despite his absence many years ago I can not stop feeling his example rooted in my blood, I have also been a soldier, but not at his level. For me he represents; honor, valour, courage and loyalty, I am not able to find another clearer explanation to imply those terms.
Since you are a one-man band, every goddamn note is played by you. What instrument was the hardest to learn to play?
I think that the Drums has always been the most difficult because it represents a good physical state, it is practically a very disciplined sport where the mind and the whole body play in an extreme mathematical way. The bass, the guitar or the voice make many things, but you do not use your mind and body to the extreme. The Neurons work differently totally differently and we can say that much more relaxed.
Now let's leave the topic of Wargoatcult a bit and speak about other things if it is OK. Are you open for such things or do you focus on the music only? If not, then you'll just hate me now, hehe.
Of course I do other things, unfortunately I am a fucking human haha, I like to read, I always try to have a book at the head of my bed, another in the bathroom and another in my car, on the bike obviously not haha.
I love to ride Bikes, i have two right now,. I also like things related to them, the mechanics etc and I dedicate time to them. I love the fat, the oil and the fucking gasoline! I always hope that everything becomes an apocalyptic landscape like Mad Max.
I also like writing a lot, especially poetry. I have published two books over the years and I go for the third of philosophy, but I never give exact data because I do not like people to know who I am. I think that a band has to be the band and that the person behind deserves their privacy.
I still practice shooting in the shooting gallery, although I should do it in many heads. I also like to paint, graphic design, oil .. everything you've seen of wargoatcult I do, except when they are splits where sometimes you have to accept the work of others. I also work wood or glass but rarely ... I do not focus on one art, I like to explore and learn all the time, a still man is a dead man! I am a person with too many worries and I practically do not sleep so.. do not worry, I hate the whole World in general
What do you think of people living only for body building and doing on a professional level as a sport? I think that one should deal with his body to have a suitable physical condition but what these sportsmen do is beyond me. Moreover as women also do this and due to much steroid the male hormone increases in them. How do you see this? A healthy soul in a healthy body? But this is not a heatlhy body...
One of the champions of the world of bodybuilding in his catgory, Domingo Uria (Spain), is my friend since childhood, but to me it seems stupid. I was in the gym for years but I did not work to the extreme because my life does not allow me that level and it did not really interest me either. I think it's good that there are people who do it, but it's still ridiculous. They spend their lives eating, shitting, sleeping and training and personally, I think there are much more important things.
I think that anyone should play sports at an acceptable level to maintain a good physical condition, i do, but one thing is to play sports and another very different thing is to make your existence a sport. Work to live, do not live to work.
Muscled women disgust me, I prefer fat with a big ass, not a stupid skinny woman who wields a hand around her waist like a sword, that's more a masturbation than a ride haha. Alexis Texas, Sara Jay, Olivia 0 are women, the rest are table decorations for the living room haha.
For steroids, better ask Rich Piana ... no, he's dead! hahahaha
As it is obvious you are attracted to war, but as I see you are not writing lyrics in the spirit of the past wars, the world wars but create the effects of today's rabid world. Am I right?
I usually talk about the most current wars like those of the Gulf, Afghanistan or the Balkans, also Vietnam and something of the Second World War, but within the context of many lyrics I speak of the ancient wars in Spain, the Ibero/Celtic relationship, the Roman Empire and many other things as sumerian wars etc..
I am not interested in always talking about the same thing, so if someone is interested only in World War II I advise Marduk that they do it wonderfully,
I am more interested in the worldwide history of wars in general, resorting to Nazism and that type of theme makes me tired, speaking about the same thing that everyone talks about does not awaken passion in my person.
Neither address the war itself, but deepened more in all this and talk about the after effects..
At first the theme was more directed towards radioactivity and nuclear war but everything has been evolving.
There has always been a very important factor when it comes to writing stories that people never seem to notice despite their obviousness and I speak of the universe, i always approach that topic within all the themes.
There is always a specific line in each letter; 1, War, 2; History, 3; Mysticism and 4; cosmos. No Policy in itself, because politics is inherent to the human condition, something that in itself is self-represented in any letter.
That's why I am too amused by people who want to set aside the policy in Metal, arguing that they are not compatible, it is absurd. Always those who do, those who say, do so through the communist perspective. They say that politics has no place in music, but they express it from a base and communist context where they believe they are masters of absolute truth and of course, believe that theirs is not politics, they are ridiculous.
I'll give you a simple example;
Two old men sitting in a park;
1-That Source I do not like where it is located, it should be more to the right.
2-No, in my opinion it should be more to the left
1-Sincerely friend, I think it should be more towards the right
2-No friend no, I do not think so, to the left is better!
That's politics, the problem is that people currently believe that Politics is a political party.
They do not understand the policy itself, they only detest the policy when it is not of the condition that they want and endorse their argument with politics of the position that they like, that is why I say, that the one who says; The Metal and the Politics can not go together! He is a liar or an ignorant,
Generally a stupid commie or simply a “Progre”.
Still with this topic, in your opinion, what kind of good effect did the 2 world wars have on civilzation? Were these two efforts to create a new social order that failed in the end? What are your thoughts on this?
Obviously the new order was established after the war, it was not Germany that established a new order that was destroyed. The Second World War was an attempt to avoid the new world order and Hitler did not succeed, but he managed to change the course of humanity in the way of thinking about it.
But we must bear in mind that not everything belongs to the 20th century, the World Order and its imposition has been trying for many centuries..
Napoleon, Abraham Lincoln, Simon Bolivar, Galileo, Churchill or Salvador Allende were Masons and they handle this story better than anyone.. they are not the only ones obviously, but they are the most relevant part in charge of this crusade called "New World Order".
The effect of the second war on the social vision was that they taught the world to hate someone, in this case the Germans, blaming them for all the world problems by putting a smokescreen in the story, as if we had not had "bad people" in the story until the Nazis appeared.
And although they did it for about 50 years, they only managed to cover the sun with a finger. Now they live with the next option, the bad guys are the Asians .. the story of the Nazis is ending and they needed another smokescreen..
The new world order is based on creating the "anti people", introducing invasive cultures and with the excuse of the multicultural society destroying autochthonous and unifying humanity. I don´t know what is the purpose, but I do not like it.
The problem as I said before, is that the vast majority of people are allowed to eat their brain for any stupidity and do not pay attention, despite having all the means at their disposal, and that is the biggest problem we face, it is our greatest weakness, a weakness that intelligent people know how to take advantage very well to handle the masses.
The Second World War left us many dead, but also many new inventions, that is the positive side that I see. The negative is that they turned Europe into shit, making our land a parasite pit by importing the disgusting Muslim religion. If we had defeated Churchill this would not be happening, we should also thank to United States of Israel.. son of a bitch..
A New World Order is in the making now, for several years a certain group has been working on to form the life of the people of the earth according to their own ideas. Is this a real problem in your opinion? Or is this only a fiction of conspiracy theorists and we are now in the situation we are in due to our own stupidity?
The new World Order and its methods to get to the final plan that I obviously do not know, is the worst thing that is happening to humanity, at least in the years that we have had to live. With the use of the Internet they have managed to manipulate people to extreme levels, levels that even TV or any other type of propaganda such as newspapers or books could not achieve since they were invented, even the bifid languages have not gone as far as Internet.
Now the culture of disinformation prevails, the distortion of reality, people have double personality due to the use and abuse of social networks managed by "The great powers". And I would say that triple personality, because most people have their own personality, their social mask and now their new personality on the Internet.
They believe that a profile in a social network represents reality, they believe in any news they see without contrasting it, they believe in the unwritten laws that take shape as time passes and they adapt to a majority, they simply have FAITH, the one from which Many mock. Many "blackers" mock the faith, but they are the ones who have more FAITH, much more than a christian, because they believe in the first thing they say to them through a God called Google, Facebook or Twitter.
All this together with the new technologies are just methods to keep you distracted, and I use them like everyone else, but I know how far to use them without being a slave. If you noticed, in the Facebook interface for two years there was a group of young people, all were friends and one was Chinese, another white, another black ... think from there .. that is one of the clearest examples of manipulation.
In FB National Socialism is totally forbidden, but not communism and now suddenly they offer you icons for your profile picture with anti communist shields ... you have to be really stupid to not realize what is happening, but sadly most of the people are. All that malpractice ends up coming to real life and the brainwashing is absolute. In the Metal World, we were independent, now that they have discovered us, they have handled it at their whim.
Secret societies have always existed but if today somebody says that they still exist and they are controlling from the background, people think you are a fool. What do you think?
They exist no doubt, there is only one idiot and that idiot is the one who doesn´t know the existence of these people. I always compare this to the existence of extraterrestrials, only an authentic fool can believe that we are alone in the universe.. They don´t believe in extraterrestrials, they don´t believe in Illuminatis, but they believe in an atom or in God or maybe in the existence of Masons because they see their physical churches, there you have the answer ..
One of the most digusting things is the demolition of nations and erasing of country borders. From this it is obvious they would like to create a homogenous society with no past, history, tradition, culture that can be more easily controlled than thousand of various nations. Or are there people believing that is good?
Only someone with a stupidity of epic magnitudes can believe that this is a good thing, unfortunately we have too many stupid people on the planet..
That is also an asburd thing that where the largest oil fields are, people are the poorest and alien groups get rich from that while the people of the country live in powerty. What do you think of this?
I think they are cowardly people who lost all their warrior tradition and their credibility for being trampled by a few caciques. It is very clear that the "rich" are not rich because they are more bad, but because they are smarter.
They know how to handle situations and people and many use force and crime, but they do not always use that type of weapons, they also need to socialize to achieve many objectives. The South American caciques for example, get their empires based on blood, crime, murder, but then they like to live well, travel etc and when they buy a Mansion in Miami like Fidel Castro, they have to behave in a civilized way ... therefore, they are more intelligent ,no doubt. Those people who live in misery in oil countries under the yoke of a few leaders, simply deserve to live this way for their cowardice and believe me, I know that situation very well, I know it so well that I know it in the first person, because right now I am living in Caracas-Venezuela because of my work and I can tell you that people are pathetic ...
For me, one of the most hated human characteristics is greediness towards material things, to have the biggest property et cetera. The saddest thing is that you can be lucky with this approach today. It's disgusting. How important is for you not to be a member of this consumer society?
I don´t care about the material at all, I only enjoy it when I have it but I am not within the consumer society in the gringo style, which unfortunately has invaded Europe in an amazing way.. To be honest, I do not even use a cell phone, I obviously have one but I only use it in case of emergency, I hate cell phones, I do not know what an iPhone is or I'll never know it because I'm not interested at all.
Fashion does not interest me at all, I always dress the same and if I want to buy a vehicle I look for one that suits me, I do not adapt myself to the vehicle that is fashionable.
Before the 20th century, what wars or events did you study more deeply? Which century do you like?
I like the whole story in general, but it has always called me more the attention of my country, with respect to the Roman invasion and the ancient Iberians, that is my favorite part of history with Celtics and Sumerians. The crusades against the Muslims are very interesting and ancient Greece as well. What has never called me too much attention is the Egyptian history, it is very broad, interesting and everything you want, but it does not attract my attention too much .. If I would like to learn much more about Polynesia, but there I have never traveled and for that I should make a good trip to those distant lands ..
I don´t forget your land and the Ottoman Empire or the Austro-Hungarian Empire with all that great history behind it ...
I don´t have a favorite century but perhaps it could be the 18th century by the birth of Beethoven and the creation of most of Bach's works, every century has something too special and unrepeatable ..
What do you think of the inquisition as the organized evangelizer crusade? I have never seen any point in forcing religion.
I am a lover of the history of the Holy Inquisition, especially the time of the Spanish Inquisition with Torquemada at the head.
All religion and what has to do with it disgusts me, but the Holy Inquisition has nothing to do with religion at all, that is more than obvious.The demonic and ruthless point that the human being arrives at that time has no point of purchase.. I think it was only an invention of a few crazy people to give free rein to their evil and imagination, including their frustrations so rooted in their body and mind by being slaves to their religion.
I suppose there were many reasons to do something like that, but the level of extremism achieved was apotheosis, only the torture machines that were invented are enough reason to justify something like that.
Whenever I talk about this topic, I imagine myself within that context and I think that I would never want to be one of the tortured, but that without a doubt, and if they had given me the opportunity to do so, I would have been an executioner without compassion. Just imagine the people you most hate falling into your hands to be tortured .. and you would have it easy, just by reporting them you would have them at your disposal haha.
The Inquisition was a good solution to kill Jews in Spain, I'm sorry for the innocents who died unjustly, but life is unfair haha Religions are only methods of control, there is nothing that they preach, their creators are much more intelligent than all those who follow them.
If you had the possibility, would you travel back to the past or forward to future in time?
Future of course! but please, do not send me in a Delorean, they have too many faults hahahaha
In your opinion, what role porn movies have in society? What are their message? Can we call that art?
Is sex dirty? Only when it's being done right-Woody Allen.
What's your opinion about Hollywood movies? What are your fave movies?
I hate Jewllywood and his fucking movies, just sociopolitical brainwashes. There are too many movies that I like, I am very fan of zine, but I could name you;
Taxi Driver, Evil Dead, El Crimen de Cuenca, Tasio, Cleopatra, Ben-Hur, Clash of The Titans,Spartacus, Citizen Kane, Casablanca, High plains drifter and many many more.. Obviously we all grew up with Jewllywood and it is inevitable that you like things, but after all they are fictional or historically wrong is not an impediment to enjoy them..
Now back to the band a bit. In 2017, the newest album is out titled ”Enigma”, but currently (november) only in digital format. Is it true? Do you find important to share the entire record until there is no physical release?
I do not see Enigma as a new Album, not even the Band has presented it as a new Album, that has been done by portals like Metal Archives and I do not understand why they have done it. Enigma is a prelude project of the new album Phasmatis Interregnum. It is the same music of the Album taken to samplers and violins, recorded in the prestigious theater Teresa Carreño of Caracas-venezuela by me and two session violinists. It is available only on digital platform that´s true, because obviously no Label was going to release it, it is something that is far from being Metal music and I'm not a swedish whore looking for money everywhere doing absurd projects All the fucking time.
I have in mind to release a Wargoatcult album only in digital format, because I like to have my recordings in all kinds of exclusive formats, why not digital ?, we are in the 21st century and finally it is about Music. I totally support the physical format and it is the one I like the most, but I also like to experiment and get into all the fields, it seems totally licit. I am not a close-minded person that opposes everything, it is absurd. If you notice right now, most of the Labels of the Planet release all the albums in the classic formats and now include the Bandcamp Digital as oficial format. For sure, there will soon be an album only in digital format, why not ? It sounds interesting to my way of seeing. Although obviously I always prefer physical.
Do you search for a label this way? Have you already received any offer?
It seems absurd to me to look for a Metal Underground label to launch a project like Enigma. And not just underground, any kind of Label is absurd to me. I do not do the Music to be published, but for people to listen to it. If they publish it I think it's much better obviously, but neither does it come too much to me. I could not have any kind of offer of any label, it was a surprise recording of which no one knew absolutely nothing. Not even my current Label, Elegy recs, knew anything about it, they just told me; wow! what a surprise! I never thought wargoatcult could do something like that! .. and that was the idea, nothing further from that point.
Tell us about the album. How is different compared to the other albums?
Can you compare two raw veal chops?
It is a new album that represents many things for me summarized in 10 years, but it is just like any other work of art, that difference must be seen by others, in this case the listener, everyone can create their own opinión, just buy.
I can not tell you that it is an Album more brutal than the others, because all are brutal, some have more brutal songs than others. The level of violence remains the same, I mean, total violence, I do not know how to measure violence, I just know that it is violence at the maximum exponent as always.
The tuning is varying from one album to another but always return to it. This album is in C Major like La Horda del Chivo or Pentaprotokhaos, while ApolokiA V is in A as well as Hatecatomb or Proteus Inferno in B. Phasmatis Interregnum is a mixture of all the albums that have been composed so far, anyone who knows Wargoatcult will understand it perfectly.
I can only say that it is the album in which I have worked the longest and the one that has the most songs, in this case they are 11, a magic number that appears in everything related to the discography of the band.
The sound is still a continuous evolution away from the fashions without being anchored in the past believing that the authenticity lies in recording badly with an analog multitrack and the compositions ,bloom to the surface without looking for a certain way to deceive or capture the listener looking for a hook to sell as do all bands today.
You have made more videos. For instance ”Anthems of War”, ”Pangea Deflagration” or ”Oceanos De Fuego”. Do you find these as important propagand tools? Do you need these? What work in invested in these videos? Who made these?
They are not really made as propaganda, but as art, as the graphic part of the song.
If it is true that as a form of propaganda they help a lot to make themselves known, you have to take into account that the audiovisual mode is the most effective means that exists at the moment. But really I do it because I like to bring to "reality" what I want to express with the songs. I have not done live performances since 2013 and I think it's a good way to be seen.
All the videos I do, as an amateur in the world of cinema and image, From the video clips to the video lyrics , It is extremely satisfying to tackle other areas that are not just music to take your ideas further if possible.
Despite being low cost videos, I have to say that they involve a lot of work and dedication, the props, the editing etc etc are quite laborious, especially when one person does everything, me.
With sessions members, you also paly live. With whom do you play on such occasions? Do you play live since the beginnings or only in the last years? Where have you played recently? What are your basic needs for a live show for gig organizers?
Wargoatcult made its first live show on 12/15/09 and the last on 09/11/2013, since then I have not done more shows because I think it's not worth it.
Most of the times the equipement is not good or enough, the organizers do not understand the need for certain things or simply organize shows in disastrous ways.The assistance in the majority of the cases is not good, and the bands with which they pretend that you share the stage are Bands with which you do not really want to share.
I also think that the current scene is absurd and I'm tired of fighting with Rock Stars, I think that no Black Metal Band should be performed live right now. The scene is rotten and full of shit and Black Metal should go against all that while preserving their elitism. That's why I say that "Black Metal" is dead, what they want to show us is not Black Metal, it's a business for gay people.
If at any time I want to do a live performance I can get to play as a session musician for Money in another band, but wargoatcult is too elitist to share it anywhere with any fucking band. I have declined many offers to play in places that perhaps many dream of playing, but I do it for principles, Wargoatcult has never been part of this Circus and will not be part of it now.
At the moment I do not have conditions to play anywhere because I simply do not want to play anywhere. I just want to do music and dedicate myself to my personal life. The shows are left to the fucking hungry for fame.
The members that I have used for live performances have been friends or my brother, being these prepared for a while. Others as Nocturno from Xerion have taken little time to be prepared and thanks to their experience have been enough two rehearsals for two concerts.
Please tell us about the underground scene of your country. How much do you follow it? With whom are you in contact, who would you recommend?
I don´t give a fuck about the scene in my country, smells like shit since 2000.
What are your plans for the future?
Dying waiting for a vehicle better than Delorean
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Interview by Dr.A.
